@Urian it's long been established in Lore women CAN NOT be Space Marines due to how the gene treatment to trigger the apotheosis from man to marine functions. Source your evidence they could be since no lore to date corroborates this. Looking female facial fine but getting boobs and a bubble but isn't a gene defect it's just terribad desperation for pornmarines. The EC are probably the most likely marines to have tits but even then it takes centuries of depravity and excess to attain.

Also I read 24 pages in before I thought "well this is just repeating itself".

On the subject of lost Primarchs; okay they were women how about we also say the other lost one was a Lama and have Lama space marines? just because they're blank spots in the lore (that are slowly being filled in) it doesn't make them justification for whatever you want to try slide into place and suite your needs.

Iam not saying it should be done that way, hell I would hate it if it would be done that simple, also you just simplify it so it sounds retarded.

The Inquisition is known for deleting records for obvious reasons etc. So if both unrecorded Primarchs would had been female. Then it would be good to delete them for all times, as all female Marines perhaps had extreme flaws, mutations, instability or just because they were completely destroyed and all gene-seed, etc. had been lost during the Horus Heresy or short after or perhaps one of them fell even to Slaanesh and the other one went out for the hunt after her sister (perhaps even twins?!) and never returned, both legions completely destroyed and motherless, they decided to delete them out of records and store the gene-seed for go-figure what.

On the other hand you also just take the existing Adeptus Sororitas and let the Inquisition play gene-teching on some of them. Making them in basic to Women on steroids and do the same or similar procedures as Man to Marine goes through, just from Woman to Super-Sororitas. Iam not saying with gene-seeds of primarchs, but own created gene-modifications. So that the Inquisition would have a secret weapon against the Astartes. (Do not forget that the Inquisition hates in basic the Astartes and are very suspicious against them, especially versus Black Templar and Space Wolves)

So to have some kind of secret weapon and secret order (as if the Inquisition has not enough of them) for some kind of anti-astartes program. (Not to forget that Sororitas are far more zealous than your standard Astartes and therefore would make even better material and one day these could even replace Grey Knights)

Sounds crappy on the first look, but if it would had been established like this from day one within the Space Marines, nobody would fight it. (Most ppl are just too judging and closed to new things) but as said: I WOULD NOT LIKE IT EITHER. (Except the 2nd idea with own gene modifications perhaps)

This doesn't mean I have t block my mind from new ideas or possibilities. There is NOTHING wrong with running your creativity and imagination free around. And if it would be put in a good way, it could be even realized that it would stay within the lore and fluff and would be widely accepted.

But if this is EVER to come into wh40k, then it shall be far later, after people calmed a bit down after the crap that recently happened (Ward's new Grey Knights, Necron Pharaoh-ing, Calgar's super powers, etc.)

We already have limited information on the Lost Primarchs that instantly negates all =][= involvement to hide tittymarines,

1. It's implied the space wolves may or may not have been sent to destroy them.

2. Horus may have time travelled and killed them before they were born

3. They have have been excommunicated by the Emperor

4. They may have been destroyed before they were even ever found

5. It's implied the Ultramarines were such a large legion because they absorbed the lost legions into their ranks

These are all clues dropped throughout the HH series. The most solid piece of evidence regarding them is that the Emperor himself personally forbid all Primarchs, Marines, Imperial officials from ever speaking or revealing that they ever existed and the statues of the lost primarchs on Terra were scrubbed bare to destroy evidence of their identities.

Actually that's exactly what they are for. They exist as unknown primarchs so tabletop players can come up with their own backstory for space marine chapters

First of all get rid of the "Tittymarines" As said, Iam just putting ideas into the room, I do not know why you fight it with hatred instead of talk regular.

Iam not saying NO YOU ARE WRONG, WE SHOULD DO WHATEVER WE PLEASE.

Only with nice, logical conversations I try to broad your mind. But I see on how you glue on "how things "Really" happened" therefore I can pretty much forget to broaden your mind. But to be honest: Nobody knows, not even GW most likely what, who or when the 2 Primarchs existed and died.

Even you say it's only implied and HINTED within the Horus Heresy books. So nobody knows for sure (and that's the whole sense of it)

Best examples are for example Blood Ravens and Red Scorpions. They have an unknown primarch. That could mean for the Blood Ravens that their gene-seed comes from Magnus The Red (however and when they were founded then) or just somewhere completely else. The same with the Red Scorpions, just that they could come from go figure where. Biggest indicator might be Guilliman as they are very codex adherent and thinking alike the Ultramarines.

Anyway we are not here to discuss the Horus Heresy, Primarchs, etc. All I try is throw some ideas in.

Also you did not make a point towards the Sororitas Gene Modifications therefore I assume you haven't even read everything I wrote. You just saw "Oh he keeps insisting with the unknown primarchs so I just shove my opinion in his face."

If people make long posts, in 90% of all cases they are long for a reason.


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Also thank you

You haven't read this did you?

On the other hand you also just take the existing Adeptus Sororitas and let the Inquisition play gene-teching on some of them. Making them in basic to Women on steroids and do the same or similar procedures as Man to Marine goes through, just from Woman to Super-Sororitas. Iam not saying with gene-seeds of primarchs, but own created gene-modifications. So that the Inquisition would have a secret weapon against the Astartes. (Do not forget that the Inquisition hates in basic the Astartes and are very suspicious against them, especially versus Black Templar and Space Wolves)

So to have some kind of secret weapon and secret order (as if the Inquisition has not enough of them) for some kind of anti-astartes program. (Not to forget that Sororitas are far more zealous than your standard Astartes and therefore would make even better material and one day these could even replace Grey Knights)


"True" Lore? Iam just making a point not just with EC but the lore in general (and what could be possibly added in the future), with Wh40k as a franchise and universe not in EC's particular case. But also you already have "bad ass girls" in basic if you don't want them, well they are all over Wh40k already. Commander Shadowsun, the whole Adeptus Sororitas and their Living Saints, the Eldar and not to forget the Dark Eldar.

And I agree with you once again, that staying with the Lore (for EC and all other games) is the best solution as new fans could come over it and then wonder why EC, or whatever game they start with, does major things different than described in lore. It would just raise more controversy and questions. This includes female space marines as a no-go but we have heard that anyway before and know that the bE team will stick as close to the lore as possible but is ready to bend where necessary. (I.E. that in statistics millions of Astartes will die though each sent chapter only has 1000-1300 memebers ; except the BT come of course one day lol)

I read in detail your prior post and couldn't find the answers you give here, so do not tell me to read more carefully as it was not stated before ^^

Also you are not getting my point. My point is not feminism, my point is not to add in any possible way some kick-ass female figures.... They already are there, as said Commander Shadowsun for example.

But this thread's title is FEMALE CHARACTERS. So sorry if I stick to topic and try to talk for all those which kinda want to get somehow more female chars into the wh40k lore. Iam not saying "oh yeah let's go with as many female chars so that its more female friendly" I just speak up for those ppl which want to see more stuff, as I see in BASIC nothing wrong with it, DEPENDING on how it is made.

Female Chapters for example, no. *Though it would be theoretically possible I would like to see this not happening*

And regards the "complete different topic" is, well you are, Iam not. You brought the whole female char talk to feminism, balance and equality. While that is not even what we are discussing.

We are discussing how to integrate (or not to) Female Characters into Wh40k, and specifically into Eternal Crusade.

So Iam not talking to realize my points (as I said like 3-4 times by now already) to make it into EC, but into Wh40k in general. The Inquisition has the motives and resources to take Adeptus Sororitas (or just random female guardswomen) and use them as lab rats on some genetical enhancement operations, which could come close, but most likely never overcome an Astartes. The results could vary from just stronger physiology or additional organs up to Ogryn-like shape and strength just that they are zealous and have a well working brain and are actual Sororitas.

Technically the SoB have some of the highest power-potentials available out of any faction in 40K. Some of them have such an intensive belief in themselves and their cause that they transcend humanity altogether. I'm of course talking about saints;



Women who are killed during wars but literally refuse to die and come back to life as superhumans far beyond that of any regular space marine because of their intense beliefs

Saint Celestine single handedly incinirated a chaos horde of possessed marines and then destroyed a Daemon Prince and saved countless lives in the process.

I don't think the SoB need physical enhancements like the Space Marines but I do think a bigger emphasis should be put on their faith based powers. That is what makes them unique and that is what should even the playing field against the Astartes.

*ahem* http://forum.eternalcrusade.com/threads/are-you-male-or-female.3884/

I think the Eldar are going to have enough room for all the females here, and any female that is really set on playing the other factions will likely be familiar enough with said factions to understand their limitations and not have a problem playing a male/fungus character.

Besides, since most of the factions that are yet to be added do have females (almost all of them actually), it might help build anticipation for when those factions are added to the game.

To be fair most of us here, 2 years before launch, are 40K fans first and foremost and I think there are a lot less tabletop/lore 40K female fans.

When the game launches the audience will be a lot more mainstream as with any big game title and I'd expect the female numbers to go up, a lot.

Plus I'm personally not championing this subject for women as some sort of equality cause. I just want to see more diversity and depth in 40K because I think it would be an overall improvement.

I agree with this. I don't think we should aim to homogenize the factions, (like giving SoB genetical enhancements like the SM) but rather uplift their unique strengths in order to achieve balance