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Esport Vs Not Esport

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Duster, Nov 7, 2013.

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Should they try and balance the game to make it an esport?

  1. No.

    88.2%
  2. Yes.

    11.8%
  1. Juggernaut New Member

    The argument against e-sports is whether it should be central to the game not whether it has any merit. Of course it has merit, but I like many others don't think EC should first and foremost be an e-sports game because that caters to professional and extraordinarily competitive players. How does one become a professional player? Time and skill, but mostly time. The level of competition for e-sport centric games alienates people that have limited time, means and perhaps limited ability to pick up and play the game and have a good time. Having a good time is the key here. I like many others play games to spend some time with their friends and have a good time, relax and escape from reality, not train for the Olympics or the super bowl of video games, isn't that just another form of work? Games should allow players to be as competitive as they like and not force them to either get with the program or go find another game which is what a good portion of the communities around those games do.
  2. Juggernaut New Member

    To clarify what min-maxing is:
    It is either, by imbalance in the game or community decree that you must have the "right" whatever for a given situation. Right hero, right counter, right weapon, right strategy, right build template etc etc. It is about competitive pvp games that drive the "you must have this 'thing' to win" idea. It is not always apparent in many of the games mentioned but some form of it exists and is what drives folks away from the competitive aspect of a game.

    E-sport games seem to drive this behavior more often than other pvp games. At least that is my perception. Even if I'm way off and totally wrong, I agree with something Mandalorkian said, the basic premise of e-sports like professional sports is well known professional players. How do you propose that a chapter of 100s or 1000s compete in a venue such as SC1/2, Dota or LoL or CoD or BF4 tourneys?

    If Behavior wants to go that way then just make a mode or mod that the folks that want that can get into.
  3. Bjorn Hardrada Bjorn_Hardrada Well-Known Member

    sorry, but i just have to:



    i stole this from Araghast by the way :p
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  4. Valrak Valrak Arch Cardinal Superior

    Not a fan of Esport, wouldn't fit this type of game :)
  5. Perfidious Perfidious Subordinate

    I don't know how you would make a long term campaign style game into an esport.

    Besides which, you don't make a game to be an esport. You make a game to be awesome, and if you do a good enough job, and the game itself is a style conducive to being an esport, you can then start promoting it as an esport. But if the game isn't awesome to begin with you're already doomed to fail.
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  6. Fireeye Fireeye Well-Known Member

    I'm against turning this into an E-Sports game. Partially because it kills the community (or rather, turns it into one big toxic hellhole where everyone feels it is his or her good right to behave like a complete asshole for any reason including no reason at all) and partially because it often results in balance changes that favor upper-tier players while ignoring or harming the lower-tier players (cf. the various sorts of Cheese in SC2).
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  7. Valrak Valrak Arch Cardinal Superior

    I think the only real way they could fit some kind of E-sport into the game is having a mode where you're placed on an enemy Battle Barge, Ork Rock etc and doing something like SWTOR did where you take objectives to push on the next one resulting in either Capturing the ship or destroying it some how. Again, my personal stance on E-sports is no :)
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  8. Bjorn Hardrada Bjorn_Hardrada Well-Known Member

    i agree with many posts (but it would be too long to quote them in this post) that games like World of Tanks, League of Legends, StarCraft 2, and a few others are fine examples of how e-sports can ruin games
  9. nightcrawlers New Member

    wow. didnt think it would be so one sided! haha

    honestly the way to get away from the whole area thing is try to implement large scale battles
  10. The_Warboss The_Warboss Active Member

    Considering that all e-sports are based on small maps with quick gameplay... Nope. Not that I wouldn't mind hearing Day9's sweet voice saying "And there the Warboss goes teabagging the Space Marine and then shots him in the face! GG!", but I wouldn't want the devs to spend lots of time thinking how to make this game an e-sport.

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