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Eldar Will Be Constantly Called Op.

Discussion in 'Eldar' started by Kamikazzijoe, Jan 21, 2015.

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DocButcher DocButcher Curator

Kamikazzijoe said: ↑

This is my prediction and I'll start with a definition.
Perfectly Balanced - Two teams of randomized players of sufficient size win 50/50 regardless of race.

Even if they game met the Perfectly Balanced ideal state, others would still be calling the Eldar OP and deserving of the nerf bat. Why? Because of practice and tunnel vision.

1. Self selection into the eldar will not generate equal player bases. With the hideously large skew in numbers, the players seeking the challenge of being out numbered (and not having to to deal with the F2W crowd) will gravitate to the eldar increasing them to above the mean.

2. With less territory being held, Eldar players will tend to have lower run back time, less tyranid time and over less down time meaning they will be getting significantly more practice for the same amount of game time; again skewing to above mean. It also means less of a req tax fighting far from base.

3. Aspect specialization-us. Given most people will probably spend most of their time on their favorite aspect, they will be getting a lot of practice in that particular area. If you're playing most of the time as a DA, you're going to get really good with that catapult.

4. Aspect specialization-them. Even if the battle is overall matched, it won't appear that way to the individuals fighting. If you are a marine facing an eldar aspect in his sweet spot (like close quarter vehicle killing for FD, close shooting range for DA, etc), the frustration of being outmatched there will stick out in your memory more than all the times you massacred them when you caught them unprepared.

5. HC req. If all the councils generate req at the same rate, then mathematically the eldar will have more HC req to spend on any given battlefield or player. This means individuals will have more time to practice with their elites, heros, and vehicles compared to a marine player who is self req-ing them far from his home supply.
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To be honest, that sounds a lot like the Eldar. Small numbers, greater skill and specialization, limited territory.

DocButcher, Aug 21, 2015

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DocButcher DocButcher Curator

Wildfire said: ↑

We will have much less 'hp' than other factions, we're not clad in 3+ power armour (b-but striking sc- SHUSH) so we need to make up for that in more specific areas, such as if a banshee encloses with a target it's pretty fucked unless they're very skilled or the banshee is wounded. If anything I'm more worried about nubs playing Eldar DA or what not and whinging that they can't suck up a beating like Astartes can and bE slowly making all factions the same thing with different skins.

Hopefully though bE wont listen to those guys and will still keep the factions how they are in law. Astartes and chaos should be walking demigods clad in some of the thickest armour in the universe, eldar should be fast, nimble precise; a scalpel cut not a hammer bludgeon. Orks, well it'll be interesting to see how they go with that. Hopefully they make orks pretty weak but give them stacking buffs for the more of them there are in an area so they can truly Waaaagh! around ina big zerg.
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I agree with most of your post with the exception of one faction. The Orks should be able to take a beating as well. Base Orks should be tougher than Eldar, and once you get more size/status and "armor"/sheetmetal, Orks should be on par with or greater than standard SMs.

DocButcher, Aug 21, 2015

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DocButcher DocButcher Curator

SorcererAlhendors said: ↑

As are Ork Boyz who can even hope to fight an Astartes 1 on 1, lore doesn't really count for s**t here when it comes to balance and it never had too much influence to begin with. If it did the Loyalists would, more or less, steamroll all of Arkhona without much trouble.

That being said, while Eldar are specialized I will become a little frustrated if the mechanics aren't as balanced as they can be. If it's just better players I'd be fine with it, but Dire Avengers better not be roflstomping Tacticals at mid-range combat 90% of the time.
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The dude above you was being sarcastic :/. Also, I don't think SMs would steam roll even the CSMs+Tyranids let alone F2Zerg Orks and Eldar.

DocButcher, Aug 21, 2015

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Wildfire Wildfire Prefectus

DocButcher said: ↑

I agree with most of your post with the exception of one faction. The Orks should be able to take a beating as well. Base Orks should be tougher than Eldar, and once you get more size/status and "armor"/sheetmetal, Orks should be on par with or greater than standard SMs.
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I don't think so, on the tabletop they may be similar in toughness but their armour is lacking, making them obviously far weaker than SM. And fluffwise they're no match for astartes, and they only win via 'green tide'. So they should be somewhere between Eldar and Astartes. However Orks players who have paid should be able to play as Nobs which should indeed be similar toughness to SM in the game.

Wildfire, Aug 21, 2015

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DocButcher DocButcher Curator

The nobs, even minor ones, were what I was referencing with the increase in size/status portion of mah post.

DocButcher, Aug 22, 2015

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Veldoran Veldoran_the_Warlock Menial

If it ends like this: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dawn_of_Eldar We will still call it "Stupid Mon´Keigh Propaganda =)) Solved

Veldoran_the_Warlock, Aug 29, 2015

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Dragonkindred Dragonkindred Arkhona Vanguard

Veldoran_the_Warlock said: ↑

If it ends like this: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dawn_of_Eldar We will still call it "Stupid Mon´Keigh Propaganda =)) Solved
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"Dawn of Eldar" sounds like a nice Trollworthy guild name.

Dragonkindred, Aug 29, 2015

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-DLB-Rokdak gut-rippa Rokdakgut-rippa First Blood!

Veldoran_the_Warlock said: ↑

If it ends like this: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dawn_of_Eldar We will still call it "Stupid Mon´Keigh Propaganda =)) Solved
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I clicked that link....

and saw an add for my artist's web comic...

I'm so proud right now

Veldoran_the_Warlock likes this.

Rokdakgut-rippa, Sep 5, 2015

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MaDrow Madrow Subordinate

Wildfire said: ↑

We will have much less 'hp' than other factions, we're not clad in 3+ power armour (b-but striking sc- SHUSH) so we need to make up for that in more specific areas, such as if a banshee encloses with a target it's pretty fucked unless they're very skilled or the banshee is wounded. If anything I'm more worried about nubs playing Eldar DA or what not and whinging that they can't suck up a beating like Astartes can and bE slowly making all factions the same thing with different skins.

Hopefully though bE wont listen to those guys and will still keep the factions how they are in law. Astartes and chaos should be walking demigods clad in some of the thickest armour in the universe, eldar should be fast, nimble precise; a scalpel cut not a hammer bludgeon. Orks, well it'll be interesting to see how they go with that. Hopefully they make orks pretty weak but give them stacking buffs for the more of them there are in an area so they can truly Waaaagh! around ina big zerg.
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actualy the waggggh stacking buff is a really good idea...with some ballance of cource..

Madrow, Oct 23, 2015

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-DLB-Rokdak gut-rippa Rokdakgut-rippa First Blood!

Madrow said: ↑

actualy the waggggh stacking buff is a really good idea...with some ballance of cource..
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check your spelling...

Rokdakgut-rippa, Oct 23, 2015

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