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Eldar Survivability Changes

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Eldritch, Jan 23, 2017.

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Thoughts?

  1. Decrease Eldar Ehp by 20

  2. Decrease Eldar Ehp by 30

  3. Decrease Eldar Ehp by 40

  4. Decrease Eldar Ehp by 50

  5. Decrease Ehp Further

  6. Leave Them As Is

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  1. Shiani Brujah Preacher

    Reduce it to below the rate of the regular Shuriken Catapult? Not sure that's gonna work, boss. :p
  2. Warboss Sickytoof Karond Steam Early Access

    I hope they can buff their armor to match LSM/CSM, but decrease health. Maybe +20 armor, -40 health.

    That's of course a nerf, and one they don't necessarily need. It's a good baseline, but they need Eldar to catch up in other areas. Pistols and Dark reaper weapons for example, and of course weapon mods, but also adding many more options for weaponry. Particularly their melee classes could use some attention. In addition, they should also probably make the Eldar vehicles have a slightly higher top speed compared to the rest too.
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  3. LucianNostra Well-Known Member

    lol

    Sure as soon as they nerf the recoil on the SB, nerf it's ROF as well, remove all weapon options from tacs besides the SB and Bolter. Put the Melta + Meltabomb options on a new class called Tactical - AV and make it so that class can't cap and can't equip anything but the melta. Also since we're at it, since Swooping hawk dps is low we need to remove all JPA weapons other than the chainsword.

    Oh forgot too, all the unique LSM guns need to become downgrades like the Eldar ones

    Or.. or maybe.. your just experiencing some 'grass is always greener"?
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  4. Shiani Brujah Preacher

    Give Fire Dragons and Banshees Power Axes as an option, give Striking Scorpions the Scorpions Claw (Power Fist equivalent) and the Eldar are looking a lot more rosy, We can live without having a Power Maul. Give these to all classes, not just Veterans or Elites. All the other factions get these sorts of weapons. It's nonsense we do not.

    They should only allow male Banshees to use the axe, just because it would be funny to witness the fallout.

    "Females are generally weaker than males, so wouldn't be able to effectively wield a Power Axe."
  5. Nether Nether Master

    I'm not seeing why a nerf to Eldar survivability is even needed.
    So all weapons pen is getting increased to 100, not just Eldar right?
    If so, Eldar toughness is increased to 100, it will still not change anything as they will still take full damage from low pen enemy weapons. Nothing changes here.

    The only reason I can see Devs pushing a nerf would be for LSM, but that is a terrible reason and yet not a reason at all to do it.
    CSM are top shelf and are almost identical to them overall, yet the small differences can't possibly be enough to justify why LSM are bottom shelf. I know they don't like hearing it, but the faction is suffering from skill imbalances which is dragging them down, not because they are mechanically inferior to everyone else. Otherwise we would be seeing the same thing with CSM which is not the case at all.

    Orks as well are doing well enough against Eldar, so I have to ask what is the real reason they are going to nerf Eldar survivability?
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  6. Jaywalker Jaywalker Steam Early Access

    The reason is that all other factions effectively lose ~9% of HP due to penetration changes.

    IMO the proper response would be to take the opportunity to also increase the overall TTK, for example by giving everyone an extra 100 armor(Orks could get Health instead) and only then taking away some of Eldar Health.
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  7. You start with a system where one faction is supposed to be faster but more squishy.
    Then you want to change the squishiness numbers across the board to be even as you rework the squishiness and related systems.
    To maintain the original trade-offs and balance you have to adjust something for that faction. Otherwise it's a pure buff.
  8. Shiani Brujah Preacher

    That's not entirely correct. Many people (I'd argue well over half, based on my experience) already use high Penetration weapons, such as Power weapons and Plasma, so the change to Penetration will do nothing as they weren't using those weapons anyway. It's only whatever other changes they have planned (changes to the Damage Reduction equation, LPs, Effective Hit Points, etc') which might have an effect.

    In other words, nerfing Eldar 100% of the time to balance something which will only affect the other Factions half the time (at best) is not an even-handed approach. So that's no doubt what will happen.
  9. Remo RemoSupremo Confessor

    Because Eldar are supposed to be squishy, that's why they are fast.
  10. Nether Nether Master

    Ok, but that isn't entirely accurate. That 9% only takes effect with low pen weapons like shuriken weapons, knives and lasblasters. Shuriken pistols have been for a long time underpowered and in need of updating so this would have a small tweek there. So anything with a higher pen gets no benefit from this and thats a good chunk of Eldar weapons. So it wouldn't be equal to 9%, I would think 3-4% more accurate if that.

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