Eldar are not unbalanced, it's the client-server connection

Katitof · Oct 30, 2016

Necroledo said: ↑

@OldMaster @Saeritan @bravo @Katitof @Balgias @b0ink7

This is not a topic about Eldar being unbalanced, not even only about Eldar. It's about how the sub-par client-server connection we have now is affecting how we perceive balance, especially when it comes with things that move very fast. Since Eldar have the most fast things, these issues are more often seen with them, but other factions have them too, especially on melee. But the core of the OP is about the connection problems and how they make balance very difficult unless fixed.

Maybe I could have worded it better, but you should also read more throroughly too. My post is definitively not sarcastic, and the sentence "most of the time it feels like they are almost untouchable, severely OP in every type of combat, and outright broken" is about how it is usually perceived to be, rather than how it actually is. I purposely used some of the most extreme claims I've seen people make on Eldar on that sentence to make my point so that we can see where is this coming from.
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I know.

Balgias · Oct 30, 2016

I was just kidding, I have no idea what this games problem is but something IS horribly wrong.

Im_a_Turtle · Oct 30, 2016

Necroledo said: ↑

After a long time reading the Eldar balance "wars" here on the forums -with Eldar players not understanding their foes' frustrations, and non-Eldar players not getting why theirs don't see the problem- and myself playing against them and a bit with them, I've come to the following conclusion I would like to share:

Eldar are not unbalanced, it's the client-server connection.

I think the most underlying problem with Eldar is not with the Eldar themselves, but with the client-server connection of the game. Playing against Eldar usually feels like they teleport around instakilling everything, and I believe that's because for an already stretched connection system -where there is always some measure of lag- the Eldar are just too fast for it. Where an Eldar player might see themselves agily dodging the slower attacks of their foes, those foes see themselves clearly hitting the Eldar only for them to suddenly be several meters away. Then you attack them again only for them to be already hitting you to downed state, and then to dead state in just a second attack, all in less than a second. Given that most melee Eldar units use power swords, that their ranged ones usually have very high rates of fire, and that their vehicles are so fast, most of the time it feels like they are almost untouchable, severely OP in every type of combat, and outright broken.

But reading Eldar player's view of the same situations, it is clear for me that the problem lies on the client-server connection being too weak: too weak not to have lag on fights against other factions, simply agonizing when Eldar are around.

In order to correct this situation, I believe the client-server connection must be improved before trying to patch Eldar up with balance changes, because those simply won't be addressing the main issue, and will add more problems instead. As one can read on a fire extinguisher, "apply to the base of the flames", and that is the metaphore I will use for this: I think the main issue is the client-server connection (as well as some client performance) and as such it must be addressed before trying anything else balance-wise. This is true not only for Eldar, but for all other factions as well.

I honestly hope this helps awareness, both for players and devs.

EDIT: to avoid more future misunderstandings, let me insist that this topic is NOT about Eldar being OP, broken, or unbalanced. It's about how the client-server connection we have is having real issues with fast objects, of which Eldar happen to have a lot, but who are not the only faction as all factions have melee. I want to raise awareness that unless connection and performance are improved, balance fixes will always be spoiled and never be "spot-on".
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Well until they fix the server to player networking, slow the eldar's movement+ sprint speed down and give them a quicker dodge regen+ new dodge animation, like a very fast floor slide or something. ADAD spam is going to be the death of this game.

Tyranus · Oct 30, 2016

Im_a_Turtle said: ↑

Well until they fix the server to player networking, slow the eldar's movement+ sprint speed down and give them a quicker dodge regen+ new dodge animation, like a very fast floor slide or something. ADAD spam is going to be the death of this game.
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As if it isn't already dead...

BlinD · Oct 30, 2016

bravo said: ↑

as a main lsm i think they dont need more nerfs,they are fine now,the problem is melee vs ranged,and chaos wins more against lsm because chaos team is compossed by 90% melee and 10%autocannons while lsm is 50% tacticals.
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That is sadly true. And chaos loadouts much more versatile. Nurgle assault can survive in melee combat and capture points.
AC is pain of this game which cannot be fixed (dunno why), maybe cause dev's are sleeping and don't care realy about balance?

About Eldar balance - it's not about Eldar in general, it's about all factions.
Animation speed must be the same. Durability and damage of the similar weapons must be the same.
This is all about balancing all factions.
It's just SM faction that lack special weapons, but will get useless grav gun in return for our prayers.
True, dev's love chaos much more. And this is sad.

Iyan · Oct 30, 2016

I don't think it's us so much as problems with the melee system. =/

If they took out smart pistols and made ailments percentage based I think we'd be fine even with a small health nerf but now that space marines and orks have more armor and health it's probably ok if they can just fix melee.

Alexandrix · Oct 30, 2016

Basically,EC is going to need to be hosted on something other than a flagellating toaster.At least a microwave.preferably one made within the last decade.

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