We may be bad. But we arent the worst. Pretty decent and understanding so long as its paired with a good fight & better looting. At least we say what we mean all the time, No fancy word play or ruses. Just to the point, plain and simple. No underhanded politics or hierachy. Just the biggest, greenest & meanest is the boss. Then the less bigger, greener & meaner are 2nd, and keep going til you reach the palest of grots. But really, we claim the title of 40k's Comic relief. Which I like. No other army is going to get away with silly dakka devices, randomness & antics without an earful from Matt Ward. Besides, who would you give the comic relief to otherwise? Necrons? Nope, Orks are the best by being a bunch of the worst which band together to waagh the rest.
It's almost laughable how much credit we get in lore. Sure we don't "win" every battle we are in but we sure as hell don't logically lose. Orks are a galactic fungus that just cannot be wiped out, not by the Eldar, not by the Space Marines, not by Chaos, and not even by the Tyranids which are assumed to have consumed several nearby galaxies in their entirety. Not even the deathless zombie Necrons could fully wipe us out. As the Eldar said, we might very well be immune to extinction. Looking at the standard version of an ork boy that is portrayed mostly as, a hulking green muscular simpleton that lives for fighting. An ork truly enjoys fighting just as a dog would enjoy playing with a stick. Orks take huge amounts of damage even as the ork boyz, we take Bolter rounds to the chest, legs, arms, and we still grin and walk it off. They laugh at heavy artillery rain, giggle at their comrades being blown to bits, charge into superior foes with reckless abandon, and enjoy every minute of it. I'd like to know of any race that can watch the grim dark of 40k with a smile except maybe chaos (them dudes are creepy) Just looking at Space Marine Campaign in the hardest difficulty(closest representation of an actual ork) the Ultramarine Captain, a man that has survived dozens of wars and countless battlefields killing mighty foes, has to roll around like a fish out of water just to avoid a basic Nob wearing nothing more than a metal bucket on his head brandishing a metal pipe. Orks in almost every iteration I have read have been overwhelming tidal waves that are only stopped when a team of heroes teleports to the Warboss to kill a small group of elites as opposed to killing off several millions. In a 1v1 fight an ork boy takes on a rank and file space marine in power armor wielding powerful weapons, with nothing more than buckskin pants and an axe. If you take any race and put them against the Orks using the same tactics as the Orks (rushing head on to engage in melee with everything they got) the other races would be extinct by now.
All your responses are true - As a faction, we are getting a lot of credit, and are only getting more now that Ghazzy and Grukk has the rusty gears wireing for a big freakin' WAAAGH soon. What I mean, tho, isn't "Our faction is getting the short end of the stick", but that "The Ork fans are getting the short end of the stick". I have frequently been ridiculed by Space Marine fans for my opinions and ideas, simply because I am an Ork fan. "Oh, but you are an Ork, so whatever" is a reply I get a lot. Joke or not, it's not something I find funny anymore. My opinion and my wishes are just as important as any Marine player's. I know Space Marines are entitled to be the favourite child, but really, could we get just a little bit of recognition, fandom-wise? Look at the leaders - Three wellknown characters, and one completely made-up character for us. WHY? Why can't we get a bloody character we know? If there at least was a character among the leader roster (Wazdakka Gutsmek as the Evil Sunz leader, for example) it would be something, but nope - We get a new character. And that's not the worst of it: Our leader, who the entire faction will be based around, is based around Space Wolves for f**ks sake. So his identity is interely based around is his enemy, which is Space Marines. Even when we get new characters, they have to be based around those tincans. Is no one else bothered by this? I can take the ridiculing by the Marine fans; we are the comic relief after all, and we knew that when we fell in love with the faction. But this? That's just low, and I wouldn't expect that from a Developer Team with Ork fans in it.
Yeah, bit of a lame move there. But at least our leader hasn't been slaughtered twice (I think) in the short stories so far like the Eldar's.
I don't even care, really. I'm not talking about fictional strength or anything; our leader clearly looks like a guy who has some chops, I'm talking about identity, and this guy is based around the Wolves entirely, with a little bit of love for trinkets thrown in to make him a proper Bad Moon. I feel like we should contact the Devs about this. I don't mind the character, but I think he should be a Bad Moon leader instead, and then try to find a leader we can actually get behind. Grukk, Ghazz, Mogrok, the Arsonist, freakin' anybody, just not a Space Marine fan-ork.
I hope you don't mind me jumping into an Ork thread but... The reason it's hard for me to see your point of view is when you keep saying Space Marines are the 'favored child' and imply there's something wrong with Space Marines(An elite and extremely tiny faction in the fluff.) being a cut above your average Ork boy, to me it's as crazy as demanding that each individual Imperial Guard should be able to stand up to your standard Ork. There's tiers of power not just between factions, but the units within those factions as well. Do you hear Tyranids complain about their base troops being weaker in the fluff? Of course not, part of their shtick is they rely on sheer numbers as often as heavy duty elite troops. And then you go off and complain about leaders while off-handedly dismissing complaints about the Space Marine choice(Who people in that faction can view as a heretic, and have even had their battle brothers murdered and covered up by that guys group on occasion.) and the CSM who often view their specific leader as a bad joke that has been forced down our throats for the better part of twenty years. I just don't see the complaints as valid because of that.
Yeah, much of your disbelief is warranted on that appartment. I know my opinions aren't necessarily well recieved, and really, I don't go and say what I do about Marines and Orks because that's what I believe; It's more to counter the fact that so many use Orks as a measuring stick for how powerful Space Marines are. If a Marine fan said "Yeah, Space Marines are really strong and powerful, but they propably couldn't take one more then three Orks at a time", I wouldn't say a goddamn thing. But I don't hear that, I hear that there's no limits to Space Marines, and that gets me bitter. I begin to represent. Yo. And you can complain all you want about your leaders, but the fact that ours was created solely from the single fact that he fights Space Wolves and once killed a Dreadnought simply overshadows anything else in my mind. Sure, Abby isn't the coolest guy you could get, but he's got a lot of fluff behind him, and has had a major impact on the galaxy. Belial and Jain Zar likewise. This guy? He kinda like wolves.
And you think 40k orks are in a bad spot? What are fantasy orks supposed to say then? One of their greatest heroes, Grimgor Ironhide, kicked in the soft gubbins and headbutted to death the evechosen, yelling that Orks are Bestest. That was retconned and the ork ended breacking one of the chaos leader's toys , before being Warp fucked by his blade; and all that because of GW reasons...
And you know what? That's valid, i'm not saying it's not. A Space Marine SHOULD die if he gets caught with his pants down fighting three orks, he's superhuman, not a walking god. But at the same time consider this: Because of the focus on Abaddon and the Black Legion, eh actually takes away from the identity of everyone else in our faction. We haven't had any development with the Daemon Primarchs, renegades have been pushed harder and harder because they match the Black Legions hodgepodge nature to the point that at the time the no name Crimson Slaughter got a codex supplement before anyone else, the sub faction traits are the closest thing we had to Legion rules since 3rd edition! Even with his fluff, the fluff is horribly bad before Talon of Horus, you have stuff like the generic rage monster he is in the Horus Heresy and the confusing events of Pandorax, in Battlefield Gothic he had a rule set where he'd randomly blow up your ships like a Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain and Orks at their worst aren't even that bad! So you have to understand when you go about talking how easy we have it compared to Orks it's hard to maintain polite conversation, there's so much evidence...at least for Chaos...to the opposite that it practically boils my blood.
