Too many pages to go through all of the replies, but... Aren't Orks S and T 4 just like marines in the table top? Like... one Ork boy is so bloody hardy that his natural biological strength and toughness is on the same level as that of the cream of the crop humans that were taken to and beyond with space science and life-dedicated training. The standard Ork is THAT powerful. He makes an imperial guardsmen look like a flower. They just lack the technology of the black carapace and power armour. I mean S and T 4 is as tough as even space marine special characters in almost all cases. Orks are definitely tough as nails. So tough, only a space marine is even capable of defeating them one to one. On top of that, they swarm planets with spores in numbers exceeding that of marines. They are BOTH just as tough and WAY more numerous and unrelenting with their biology. Orks are by far the most dangerous species, if it wasn't for the animosity. Ork boy will be a suitable class. They will likely be marginally tougher than marines in EC health-wise, but probably with less armour. I have no doubt each Ork player is going to be just as formidable as marine players. As for fiction and media, I agree it goes over the top. Take relic's space marine for example... as Titus you end up killing probably a few hundred Orks in the game. This just wouldnt happen in the tabletop. Captain or not, the boyz are definitely weaker than they should be. In EC one marine will be approximately equal to one Ork... though the balance may come from other mechanics (like increase in toughness when in a horde, for example).