So let me just vent for a minute. Arguing with Bolter Porn fans make you need that. I recently wrote my little green heart out to some Space Marine fans and didn't get through, so let me hear your opinion. ----------------- As an Ork player, you will be used to being less important that other fanbases. The Space Marine fans are often very adamant in their approach to their faction, as is Chaos Marines, though I think that's mostly because the Space Marine fans already decided that Marines are diehard, and Chaos Marines are just evil villian Marines, so they have the same kind of power, though a bit weaker, since they are enemies of Marines. Eldar, too, has many fans, and they can also get very worked up about Eldar being represented fairly. Eldar is another sort-of-heroic faction, and so too has many fans. Orks, though, don't get this kind of support. We love our faction to death like you, but in all stories we appear, we are there to give that vicious feeling of killing a whole mob of Orks. You could say that a unit's strength is graded from how quickly it will reduce an Ork mob to molten slag or bloody chunks. We don't mind, though. We know we are bad guys, and that we shouldn't win, so it's not that big of a deal. We don't take it seriously. But, even though we know we're here to provide entertainment for the other factions, we don't get the same sort of respect from other fans, or from the Devs, so to say. For example, the EC leaders. Space Marines get an awesome Dark Angel leader known from books and lore and TT. Chaos Space Marines get freaking the Despoiler himself, who, despite some annoyence around his character, is really friggin badass and wellknown. Eldar get Jain Zar, a heroine of renown and an ancient leader from the lore. What do Orks get? Some slobnosed unknown Warboss. ... What? I mean he's a cool character, and has a lot of personality, but he's just not in the same league as the others. Where's Ghazzkul Mag Uruk Thrakka? Where's Grukk Facerippa? Where's Wazzagh? Where are our heroic characters from the lore?! It get's better. Here's a breakdown of the average Player character: Average Marine. Average Chaos Marine. Average Aspect Warrior. Average Ork Boy, but has to be improved to be anywhere near the strength of the other factions, or they wouldn't have a chance for some reason. ... Who the hell decided that? Who decided that Ork Boyz are inherently weaker than all the others? The TT? Those books written from a biased view of Space Marines? Why can't we Ork players get a word in, and say that in a lot of our fiction, one or maybe two Orks are a fine match to a Space Marine (at least in melee combat), and can often kill them in CC too? Why do you have to decide what the capabilities of our faction is?! I've only ever read one story from Ork perspective, and it's from this website. It's about some Orks boarding a Navy Cruiser. There's two Space Wolves on it as bodyguards, and while they down three-four Orks each before going down, they are taken down quickly afterwards, since they simply can't keep up... And the only reason they lasted so long was because they held a choke-point that the Orks hurled themselves at. See? Space Marine Bolter Porn isn't the only source of Ork capabilities, and I'd very much be happy if people would stop saying that that's the fluff as it has always been. It's what it's always been from YOUR angle, but not from ours. You don't know about ours, because it's so small and underdeveloped because everyone thinks Orks are fine as they are potrayed in the Space Marine books, but I don't, and I will never do. Orks are people too. Represent, yo. ----------------- How do you feel about this? Do you feel like Ork players are getting less support and respect than the other faction, because of us being fodder most of the time? Do you have any thoughts on it?