I saw a player who used that build, i tried it myself, so i must say, that this build turns the raptor in absolutely unstoppable, fast, agille killing machine that single handedly can obliterate whole squad of eldar or space marine players. Some people say that you simply don't have to melee these raptors, but it makes no sense, because of 1) agility and speed of raptors, 2) there are situations in which you have to defend points and these things charge into your position. What do i have to do in such situations? Just leave the point to the enemy? There is no way you can counter them as an eldar player for example. Striking scorpions are no match for them as well as warlocks, fire dragon cannot deal with them because of nerfed fusion weapons. Having said that, don't you think that this build is quite overpowered?
U are feeling it because there is nothing on the other side to match it ... Do u know Lsm whill have iron halo and things like that which will make them tanky too ... simply get that shit on Air assualt and its like tht on both sides Its alpha everyone will have things like that
I haven't been on the receiving end of these and I haven't tested them myself, so I can't tell if they're actually overpowered, but I'm going to assume they may be. That being said, there are several issues here: 1) Eldar should not yet be considered as a reliable measurement of balance as they lack two entire classes, let alone the planned variety of weapons, consumables and other loadout options. Eldar are at a disadvantage against almost anything at the moment. 2) While the Mark of Nurgle is the first God mark available to Chaos, the Imperial Space Marines and the Eldar do not YET have this kind of specialized options, but they will in the future. I don't really see much need for an interim nerf. 2) Both Loyalist JPAs and Chaos Raptors currently have the same base stats as all the other classes, in my opinion, THIS is the main problem and one that will have to be balanced out going forward.
I agree. Right now eldar have no protection against melee. So if a raptor suddenly drops down in the middle of a squad it will hurt, a lot. The same goes if a ASM drops down in the squad so it's not only the MoN raptor. I don't agree. Not likely, And will not happen if there is a shieldbro there.
Agree. That's normal (but unfunny), it's Vanilla Space Marines & Disabled Eldars Vs Chaos with sweet toys.
I played against two GA and one tactical, tanked out all of them, killed tactical and one of GA, then retreated, restored some health and killed the last one - shield is not that effective against air assault. And what happens when there are two nurgle raptors attack enemy squad? How many shield mates enemy has to have to counter them? Of course, i understand that it's an early alpha and balancing issues are normal at this stage, but i'm concerned that this particular issue might completely ruin the game experience now, especially for players that choose to play SM, or Eldar. Maybe temporary nerf of MoN would be good? Untill other factions will get their wargear?
Does MoN even work? Last time people whined about it being OP as fuck it was broken, as far as I remember. And also MoN gives you 30 hp and 50 toughness. For 700 points. Should we just take chainsword and pistor from mon raptors, to make... You know, fuck it, I am too lazy to comment that deliruim.
That is not a whole squad which is what you wrote. Well played. This is how raptors should be played, hit and run. I don't really see SM having a particular issue with this since they also have ASM and can hit and run CSM squads. Perhaps not equally as effective but still... Eldar on the other hand is so weak that trying to play as them ruining the game experience so there I certainly agree with you. In particular if a raptor play like you just described. That would require a overall nerf to SM and CSM since eldar are much weaker (since 2 classes are missing). So it's unrealistic.
