Yer still not even tryin'. I didn't say anywhere dat I, er anyone dat comes up wit' a dumb idea, shuuld take credit fer betta' ideas that come 'bout from it ya git. I jus' implied dumb ideas can spawn gud ideas. Dat don't mean dat da dumb idea gets any o' da credit fer any gud ideas, dat wuuld be dumb. Yer comparin' comin' up wit' dumb ideas leadin' ta' blokes comin' up hopefully betta' ideas, wit' doin' dumb actions and somehow decidin' takin' credit fer anuvva' idea shuuld get thrown in da mix A betta' analogy would be sumfin' loik advisin' someone ta' shoot da horse dey own dead, 'cause dey got a trukk makin' dat horse useless, leadin' ta' someone else advisin' dat bloke ta' sell dat horse dey no longa' need 'cause killin' it wuuld be a dumb idea
The movement buff is probably because in the table top game, Waaaghing is all about movement (being able to run and assault on the same turn). Although other factions don't have equivalent Waaagh functionality, they do have more mobile vehicles (Ork trukks steer even worse than they look like they can) and the ability for a single unit to destroy enemy vehicles in 3 seconds - which they have for the entire duration of the match.
And crash all the time followed by one asshole being able to click a melta loadout of pretty much any kind walking over and killing it in what like 5 seconds? Every faction has their bullshit dunno why the orks camt have waaaggghhh when they have literally worse versions of everybody elses weapons. The fully modded bolter is superior to a shoota. Your fast attacks are better than ours. We lost or melee advantage (melee oriented faction lulz) cause people couldnt be bothered to set up crossfires and kill melee before they approached in most games. We have the worst jump unit based just on animations. You bring up ace dakka all the time which is funny when you guys have autocannons of your own. We have no plasma type weapons. Our explosive weapons are super easy to cheese making them useless against vet players. Klaw just ate a nerf making it kinda pointless, especially since it is a gaurenteed suicide to actually finish a vehicle with it. Melta bomb equiv still doesnt work right. All the painboy deployables are stupid easy to destroy while his melee is knife quality. Our tank has the worst accuracy of vehicles (understandable) but also has the same or crappier versions of other factions vehicle guns. Big shoota can be beaten just by running past the guy and knifing him in the back since it cant track. Orks unable to defend against powerswords properly(the most spammed type of melee btw) and two of our pistols are trash while people gripe about us having the other two. I mean at this point it seems like the other factions just want us to be equiped with pointy sticks and trash can lids while riding around on tricycles. Heaven forbid someone not be some kind of SM faction fan and actually enjoy something else in 40k while wanting THAT to be fun and enjoyable in a game. I mean shit man eldar annoy me but I dont want them gutted. I just dont get it anymore. Its like the game will only be fun for people playing as SM when it is just the space marine campaign mode where they can just power through entire armies single handedly. Orks lose against teams that play accordingly to counter orks. At the rate we're going though don't worry. Ork numbers will continue to fall and you wont have to play against them unless its a DLB warparty full of OP teamwork and cordination. Then you can have your 3 faction game that so many people seem to want anymore.
Thanks for your calm and well-reasoned response about how Orks are so underpowered right now and need special super-buffs in order to actually fight back against the other factions. Never mind the higher base health and reduced headshot damage, clearly having instant respawns and faster movement speed is the only thing keeping your faction afloat with the highest win rate of the four factions. I'm glad you didn't over-exaggerate anything either, especially like pretending the ace dakka is the exact same as the autocannon or that Ork vehicles are somehow unique in dying quickly to anti-vehicle loadouts (only the Eldar really get to bypass most AV methods, which is another topic altogether). And losing your sole melee advantage via a broken mechanic being fixed, yes, that's totally a valid complaint, except that it's not. Poor you. Clearly by wanting this super-buff to be balanced or shared with the other factions, what's really being said is that Orks should be nerfed into the ground so that you depend on your zerg guild to score victories against the OP Everyone Else faction. I'm glad you were able to approach this with level-headedness, because otherwise you might have come across as a hysterical ninny.
Possible reasons: 1) Token nod to the original Free2WAAAGH system 2) GeeDubs mandate 3) TF2-style stalemate breaker (Valve software is under the philosophy that a curbstomp is better than a stalemate) 4) Back when Orks were statistically weaker, WAAAGH could be seen as part of a tradeoff for having Marine health but worse guns (after that Orks got different gun balance and of course the health buff) 5) Just a fluffy tweak that wasn't expected to be all that game-changing
As a few have said, should be warlord activated- and probably will be. Nothing is really wrong with it as is. I don't really notice the game get harder or easier with it in effect. In my opinion it really is a fairly minor thing. Kinda cool to. I don't think every race needs an equivalent. Every race should feel unique and have different Pro's and Con's. If you want this 'Super Power' as some call it. Play an orc. I'm a Xenophobe, so don't have an Ork character. Couldn't help but get the Eldar though. Suppose they look kinda humanish.
