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Can i upgrade this crappy PC ?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by HORROR7, Oct 19, 2015.

  1. Ganelon Ganelon Well-Known Member

    Anyone who claims to be well-versed with technology, such as yourself, should've been able to make the connection.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Accelerated_Processing_Unit


    That just means it has video ports to support the integrated GPU, not that it has an integrated GPU.



    Earlier in the thread I suggested a 750Ti. Go back and read that.
  2. I'm old school.
    Seriously Old School. I think my computer learning pre-dates the Laptop.

    And your point is?

    Then how come you can download VGA Drivers for the Motherboard?
    They don't normally do such support unless the GPU is built into motherboard.
    https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_VII_HERO/HelpDesk_Download/

    I also suggested a CPU upgrade, as well as ask him what kind of Graphics port he had.
  3. Ganelon Ganelon Well-Known Member

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    They're outdated and not modern by any standard. I've found the same drivers on the Intel site, they're from 2009.

    Asus seems to provide those drivers to all Intel motherboards, but they won't actually do anything.
  4. PhilosAzel Philos Ordinate

    rebuild from the ground up. Pull out the HD, and and buy a SSD. Use the SSD for a boot drive and gaming. Use old HD to store files. Then I would just build a whole new pc
  5. Although every bit of advice has been given, for the record most integrated GPUs regardless of how highly regarded they are by their proud creators do surprisingly live up to the advertising as much to the surprise of everyone. But fall far short of even the cheapest PCI-E cards on the market and don't even perform as well.

    But if all you're interested in is playing is 10 year old or older games, low demanding current gen games on low on 720p max such as sports titles, as for 2D games, they are perfectly fine, al bit will run hot when you use them. The 930m for example (which is the third most powerful of the crappy on board GPUs behind the 950m and the 840m) will run hot if you stream to your computer TwitchTV on HD for several hours, while high end graphics cards laugh at these things.

    But I wouldn't attempt to run Unreal Engine on those things ...

    As for APUs or Combo CPU/GPU, pretty much every single one which came out between 2009 and 2012 were testbeds for developing the ones which ended up going into the current gen video game consoles. They were marketed as the next big thing ... I can see a possible future in mobile devices but their still very gimmicky and overpriced for what they do, even today. I'm surprised the current gen consoles are so cheap for the APUs they have in them to be honest.
  6. Ganelon Ganelon Well-Known Member

    AMD barely makes money off of those.

    They're also shit-tier.
  7. AMD makes more money from product contract deals resulting of the advertising they get from the APUs on the PS4 and Xbox One than any returns they get from the sales of each unit, which is nothing. Costs just as much to make them as is covered in the combined cost of the unit. You know they say companies make more money from the sales of games on consoles than the consoles themselves? It's true, consoles are priced at the cost of the manufactory and distribution of the combined unit.
  8. i came after battle here but reading the thread i have found these to piece of wonder and ...
    WTF ?!?
    that's like the most dumb comment you could make.
    First of clock speed doesn't indicate the speed of process it can run ( process are softwware things anyway) nor the number of floating point calc it can made or any such metric.
    Clock speed is .... clock speed. shockingly.
    It give the number of time the clock tick each second. the number of tick needed for an instruction, number of instruction for a calc, number of calc for a specific task depend only on design and software and firmware. that's why, as it have been said, some High end 5ghz made for calc CPU get destroyed in gaming perf by mid range CPU. cause they are not made for it.
    So no, sorry but Bit*Hertz isn't a good metric. Why the heck do you think we ( SysAdmin and such) do floating point test and run data matrix ?
    we are capable of multiplying you know.... if it was this simple.

    Second : your remark on GPU is false.
    Ganelon is kind of right here. Since CPU is a dead beaten horse, there is no way the data stream send to gpu will be enough to feed a high end GPU.
    You will have a Great GPU... yeah! except he will be idleing most of the time but yeah you have a great GPU...
    utterly pointless

    as i said on the other thread (the way of the computer) the most important things is balance.
    You need to upgrade both CPU memory and GPu ( and probably MB) to have something who run smoothly else you just create botleneck who slow down the best part of pc.
    Considering the PC of OP i really thing you should start again from scratch,reusing the piece you can reuse. as a new "core" ( CPU Mem MB Gpu) will be necessary and most of the price is concentrated there.


    Edit : Re-read the thread again.
    Ganelon have a point here, since your Motherboard is not so crappy and can support early I7, i would keep it and rebuild a GPU/CPU/Mem core on it with early I7, 750ti and 8go of DDr3.
  9. I was taught that the Hertz of a Processor represents how many operations it does a second.
    So a 1300GHz processor is doing 100GHz more processes per second than a 1200GHz processor.
    But I did mention that it only works if the two chips are like for like.

    If the 1300GHz is a 32 bit Chip, and the 1200GHz is a 64 bit one, then the 1200GHz one is going to be far more powerful. And that is only one, rather obvious, point of comparison.

    So, you're telling me that a GPU on a CPU does not produce heat and contribute to the Thermal load of the processor?

    Or are you referencing Bus Speed?

    Don't forget you can also upgrade the Memory and the PSU, which can also increase speed.
  10. False.

    The clock in the CPU run to send a square signal wich oscilate X time by second, on these oscilation a system of NOR and/or NAND logical gate make signal traitement in order to realise so operation.
    These systeme are designed in a way that they produce the expected result given the expect input, in a predifined number of steps.
    Hertz are just the X.

    So yeah the speed of your process in linked (function of) the Clock frequency. but 1 click frequency = 1 instruction done, is a nonsense.
    No your CPU dont run 3.2G instruction seconde.
    and each processor have been design ( nor and nand gate and the way logical bloc are linked ...etc) for a special purpose. an Amd 64b Calc CPU destroy intel's I7 in 3D rendering and thermodyn calc but get destroyed in gaming.

    Not that much but yeah it does contribut a bit, but what i was sayong is a GPU ( on a CG card) without changing CPU is pointless since the GPU will wait for cpu to respond and waste most of is time waiting for him.

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