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Calling all 'Lorehammers' Space Wolf argument settlement

Discussion in 'Space Marines' started by Thraxus, Feb 5, 2016.

  1. Tiberius Brad83 Subordinate

    What! No no no no evrything in warhammer is original. And all based on fact. They have a farmer called Doris which created the company games workshop (she also owns apple and various other companies and Switzerland) who can see into the future and is telling us what actually happens. It is never based off the past it is all true
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  2. Tiberius Brad83 Subordinate

    Ah that's Fabius bile. He's so witty and tells the funniest jokes.
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  3. BA also have the Black Rage. I find the Black Rage and falling to the temptation of giving into the Canis Helix quite similar, the individual loses themselves to bloodlust and rage, though each having it's own specific cause and different outcomes.
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  4. DoomJester DoomJester Arkhona Vanguard

    At least they don't glitter...they more reflect an excess of light off of their golden plated chest, abs and nipples...or the white version, and the red...not really the black one though.
  5. Whitefox550 Whitefox550 Well-Known Member

    I scoured the internet, including Rick Priestley's Answer page on reddit, and I could not find a single thing about the SW ripping off Robin of Sherwood. I am in fact shocked. It seems very plausible, given the timing and proximity, but the concept of the wolf time (from the poem Voluspa) is pretty old, and wolves of Fenris isn't original to anyone in the past 700 years, so it's a toss-up.
    Edit: I see now I mixed up wolves of Fenris with Sons of Fenris. Ideally they refer to the same two wolves anyways, Skoll and Hati, but it is an odd coincidence (verging on causation perhaps).
  6. i hope everyone realises that robin of the hood is a accumulation of different stories of outlaws and not a actual historical figure, just like tv adaptations have artistic freedom..so have other things.
    you find similar things on cultures who are oceans apart, doesn't mean anything.
    i'm also sorry to tell you this, but your wife is a heretic.
    you might wanna leave your house.....better yet evacuate to another planet to be on the safe side.
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  7. Ranok Ranok Cipher

    I always thought that the Black rage kind of just happened and a blood angel unwillingly had flashbacks of being the Primarch due to stress/other things/forced/drugs? Where as unless you were a bloodclaw and were still quite you know.....naive. it wasn't usual for someone to fall to the wulfen unless outside influences were enacted, as they willingly and knowingly fight the beast inside.... unless your part of Bran Redmaw's great company, there are quite a few "apparently, but true" marked ones there.
  8. XavierLight XavierLight Well-Known Member

    I always thought the 13th Company was just, well, Werewolves.
  9. DoomJester DoomJester Arkhona Vanguard

    Nope, digganobz...that's what they are :D
  10. I have your answer, not as a fan of Warhammer but a fan of history and cultural mythology.

    The Time of the Wolf for starters is, in fact, taken from an old Norse poem. While popular culture has told much about Ragnarok, little is it known that their mythology decreed that there would be a time afterwards, known as the Wolf Age or Time of the Wolf. It's a term largely taken from the old Norse poem Völuspá, to quote the relevant bits:

    "Brother will fight brother and be his slayer,
    brother and sister will violate the bonds of kinship;
    hard it is in the world, there is much adultery,
    axe-age, sword-age, shields are cleft asunder,
    wind-age, wolf-age, before the world plunges headlong;
    no man will spare another."


    As for the second term, the Sons of Fenris is a bit more of an obscure one but has largely been answered by Grigdusher already. The truth of the matter is that Warhammer 40,000 took its names and inspirations from all over the place, from Ridley Scott films to gay poets. Some were galvanized to form other terms, while others were simply taken wholesale, but given the more general nature of this one, I can't see it being more than a coincidence. Games Workshop tended to either be a lot less subtle about its influences or terms, or would warp them entirely to the point where they were unrecognisable from the source which inspired them. After all, compare the Starship Troopers inspirations next to today's Space Marines, and their only similarities are that they wear power armour, have drop pods and fight aliens. So, while I can't completely rule it out, I do find the idea to be extremely unlikely.

    Plus, if we're going to go into things being stolen from Robin Hood, I have no shortage of stories, ideas and legends which that particular myth adopted for its own inspirations. All stories are forever standing on the shoulders of giants, and reinventing older ideas, after all.

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