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Boltgun remowal = Support class doesn't mean "tactical flexibility"

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Faeruin, Mar 26, 2017.

  1. Threule Threule1994 Firebrand

    Whats the point of jump pack if you cant jump
  2. Lerdoc Katitof Well-Known Member

    And what actually makes you believe you should be privileged here over all other supports, who at best have a pistol?
  3. Xio Valency Xi0 Preacher

    You pick one or the other, jump pack and chainsword or be forced to play on ground if you want a boltor, having a flying class with a better swooping hawk gun that can throw aoe heal grenades that can revive and can self heal and is tankier than a tactical and would probably camp on a roof would be a little game breaking imo, plus it would punish all support heavily for not liking blood angels.
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  4. Threule Threule1994 Firebrand

    UNIT TYPE:
    Infantry. Company Champion and Sanguinary Novitiate are Infantry (Character).
    UNIT COMPOSITION:
    3 Veterans
    1 Company Champion
    1 Sanguinary Novitiate
    WARGEAR:
    • Power armour
    • Bolt pistol
    • Chainsword (Veterans and Sanguinary Novitiate only)
    • Frag grenades
    • Krak grenades
    • Narthecium (Sanguinary Novitiate only)
    • Power sword and combat shield (Company Champion only)
    SPECIAL RULES:
    • And They Shall Know No Fear
    • Furious Charge
    Honour or Death (Company Champion only): A model with this rule must always issue
    and accept a challenge when possible.

    OPTIONS:
    • One Veteran may carry a company standard…15 pts
    • The entire squad may take jump packs…25 pts
    • Any Veteran may take any of the following:
    - Melta bombs…5 pts/model
    - Storm shield…10 pts/model
    • Any Veteran may replace his chainsword and/or bolt pistol with a boltgun…free
    • Any Veteran may take items from the Melee Weapons, Ranged Weapons and/or
    Special Weapons lists.
    • The unit may select a Drop Pod, Rhino or Razorback as a Dedicated Transport.
  5. FreeMek Gortflagg Nexle09 Arkhona Vanguard

    He is LSM, he finks all dat privelidged shit is normal
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  6. Threule Threule1994 Firebrand

    Hey, that would be a pretty cool idea. I want to fly and heal motherfuckers while being red.

    Maybe they can take Jump Assault packs but with armor penalization or at a X%+ cost?
  7. Belphegor LordSloth Preacher

    This is one of the main issues people missunderstand when they compare their TT loadouts with EC. In TT you outfit your army. If you get all this fancy stuff to buff 1 champion or one unit you will pay for it with the size of your army and by losing flexibility in the army composition. In EC everything has to be balanced to one character and the characters all have to have a similar value. If you decide to waste points on stormbolters and jumppacks and hq units your team might start with just 10 squads while the enemy can theoretically field 15 squads for the same value. In EC every team needs to have the same amount of players.

    This is the whole reason we see capture keys, jumppacks and even "healing" abilities baked into different archetypes and not as purchaseable upgrades/items with an LP cost attached, while on the otherhand the abilitiy to field certain weapontypes or abilities (compared to the lore) is limited.
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  8. Drake De Molina Drake_De_Molina Steam Early Access

    Ho look a LSM trying to protect himself with TT rules... Then why TT rules are not applied to other races?
    The problem with LSM? When it's about them, it's "asymmetrical balance" and when it's about the other races, "it's OP". Look at the last dumb thread about Banshee melee dealing too much damages and Ork cannon.
  9. Xio Valency Xi0 Preacher

    Make the jump pack take up the armour slot and costs 400lp to 500lp with no option to improve and it could work.

    The only problem is this would without a doubt make JPA redundant unless your non BA so I doubt I would like it that much honestly, I think this is something that should be vet locked for balance sake.
  10. XavierLight XavierLight Well-Known Member

    At best, going by how the rules are written, a Novitite could take a Jump Pack and only have a Bolt Pistol, Chainsword and Narthecium. Everything else says Veteran or Champion. Nothing says Novitite can take a Bolter or anything else.

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