Greetings, i am new here, i desire to chat a bit about one of my favorite Chaos warbands, i have liked what one of my favorite authors (a match made i heaven in my opinion) has done to it, changing it into a visionary association, founded upon brotherhood, revenge and yearning for purpose. i would love to discuss what people think about them on their new idealistic light shed and how Abaddon passed from a belicose, curmudgeon to a more calm, jovial and laid back leader by the recent series. one my main points i would love to discuss with those that know of the lore is a point made by a Chan about how Abaddon's goal and methods might bring self-defeat: "'After reading all of that how can anyone say Abaddon is the bad guy?" "By siding with the guys who want to turn the galaxy into an even bigger hellhole than it currently is, and by being one of the reasons the Imperium can't get out of stagnation. You know, there could be progress of any sorts, but how's that going to happen if everything is made for war? What, you think you can invent something in your free time? Too bad you're working in a factory 20 hours a day just so you can make enough Lasguns for some poor sods halfway across the galaxy, so they may hold the line a bit longer, before daemons of superhell come pouring through. 'Orks, Eldar, Necrons and all that would be enough of a threat without some topknotted dickhead thinking he does the right thing by murdering everyone with the help of a raging bloodfetishist, literal space AIDS, a guy who will turn you into Chaos Spawn just for giggles and a supermurderdrugrapist. Really, Abaddon going "W-we did nothing wrong! We are the good guys!" is stupid beyond belief, and extremely hypocritical in the wake of his deeds and company." It is hinted (which i sadly lack any quotes) on either Black Legion or Talon of Horus that the Warmaster may find a way to break the circle of control that Chaos holds on mortals and make them be on their own, i cannot tell how he could do this, or when was this said on either novel, but i would love to hear people's thoughts about it.