If everyone runs away from the vehicle I spawn in, i end up staying to protect it, at least for a while. Ultimately, having fun aside, the only reason to play any match, is to win it. Kill chasing, my own xp, are irrelevant if we win. Of course they could add in a xp tick for guarding vehicles the same as for guarding points, but its hard enough to get the majority of players to guard points at the best of times. The lure of the kill is too much for the masses. I only play Eldar and Orks and I have to say, most games, especially as Orks, there are people defending their transports. When I AV on Eldar, I usually find undefended, out in the open rhinos ready for killing, you don't even need bombs to do it, you can just burn them you have that much time. We cant blame faction mechanics for people's poor gameplay.
I disagree, it seems to me like the Eldar has the worst AV out there or at least tied with orks. Zzap/Lascannons are pretty decent, especially on fortress maps. The Eldar have to get by with the nerfed and inferior reaper launcher. For close range anti-vehicle, there are power claws and power fists on jump packs, but Eldar lack anything comparable. Finally, it's melta vs fusion. It's comparable, and two meltabombs destroy a rhino/trukk equally as fast as a meltabomb + a millisecond of melta destroys a serpent. The difference is that the Fire dragon has to spend much more LP to achieve the same thing. The only reason why Eldar seem so good at AV is because people leave the vehicles in open spaces to be destroyed. It's the same thing with the complaints on Hawks, people don't adjust to playing Eldar. It's a different game when facing them, and if you ignore that, despite every advantage you've in the AV department compared to Eldar, then your team deserves to lose.
Ive literally had dragons jump from a wave serpent on top of my rhino plant 2 grenades and kill it. compared to the amount of time invested in killing a LSM rhino on my melta traitor i have to go true the following process: 1) get behind the APC. 2) plant melta bomb on rear. 3) shoot melta gun while backing off to avoid getting killed by my own bomb. slightly before my melta runs out of ammo and needs to recharge the bomb will go off than i need to. 4) dance around for a second or 3 or so to wait on my melta gun to recharge. 5) shoot a second clip in the rear to finish off the vehicle. You have to admit that this is far more risky and dangerous than simply. 1) get behind or on top of APC 2) press G 3) Press G again to finish off vehicle. Even tho both classes can take out a vehicle single handedly one takes almost 3x as long to do so.. Now understandably eldar are squishy and hit and run and all that space ninja stuff. bu its not like my marine is 3x as though as you are to survive that extra time investment. Especially not since most elder seem to have been born with both a silver spoon in their mouth and a power sword in their hands haha. I'd like it if you'd at least need to shoot one clip of your gun at it at least once and than you can trow 2 nades to kill it i dont care. this brings it more in line with other factions i think.
As a Fire Dragon, yes. 2 melta grenades is very nasty. But, you need to remember that it costs 400LP to have those 2 melta. That means I have to forgo a lot of other nice stuff. Usually the stuff that keeps you alive. As a Chaos melta user, you would have 200 more LP to spend on armour or other fruit. Plus it looks like your melta gun does more damage than mine. If i only use one melta grenade, it would take me 3 full overheats to finish a Rino. Oh, and yes, you are tougher than a Fire Dragon to start with. Thou I would have to admit I prefer the double melta!
I tend to use 1 melta and the new fusion gun (the looks alone are good enough for me). Run in, run away, blast does not kill the rhino but the LSM inevitably jump out and run around like headless chickens whilst I fry their ride from behind a rock. Lack of special awareness is the biggest problem for people I am certain.
No it doesn't. Compare your meltagun + meltabomb against an ELDAR vehicle. That's the only comparison that matters. You should't, like you do, compare your time to destroy a rhino compared to a fire dragon destroying a rhino. When playing Eldar, vehicles are destroyed 3x as fast on BOTH sides. The Eldar pay more for their loadouts than you do though.
Dont spin my words you witch doctors isnt the name of this thread so yes i did compare it to me killing a rhino and not a elderp vehicle ya dummies. it shows you 2 hit vehicles vs any race and we dont 2 hit yours btw,, since you just turbo chicken mode to the moon and back and its k. So it comes down to you having a counter by pressing shift and no one else having one, and also 2 hitting vehicles .. do i need to go on.. I think it's safe to say fire dragons are pretty good at taking out vehicles which contributes to alot victories against randoms. And this is all i will have to say because it's clear ya all just here to spin words so you can argue about how not op you are. And i am here to just state facts. fact 1 i stated people are retards and let their shit get killed by not defending it , fact 2 dragons 2 hit vehicles in an eye blink. have fun arguing and word twisting among ur own kind spaghetti legs. @!#!# freaking space elfs.. go murder fuck another chaos god in existence will ya , serving 4 got boring already..
You seem to ignore the others argument. No matter the faction, it takes the same time for their AV to destroy our vehicles as it does for us to destroy theirs. The fact that it takes you longer to destroy another factions vehicle, is matched by the fact it takes that same faction the same amount of time to destroy your vehicles. So its balanced and fair. While double meltabombs do destroy a vehicle faster, our two melta bombs also cost twice as much LP. That means our loadouts are more dedicated for taking longer to do their job, while you can still have a nice bolter or another other various item, and also being able take points. Fire Dragons cannot takes points and are pretty useless in combat because of their crappy fusion gun. Then again it could be argued that because FD are so useless at anything not AV, they are solely dedicated to taking out Vehicles while they are that class, while other factions AV classes can take out a vehicle and then precede to help the team in other ways. Also in response to your turbo-chicken, that still applies for Rhino's and Wartruks, if people watch a vehicle and move out of the way of melta bombs, then there is nothing we can do about it. While not as mobile, non eldar transports are still capable of avoiding destruction as well as a Wave Serpent since Eldar have no effective way to destroy a vehicle unless we are planting bombs on the back of it. Even if you just ignore what I said above, the Wave Serpent isn't apart of the Fire-Dragon class and is a perk of being a Eldar player and don't make Fire-Dragons any better.
