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Aspect Warrior Visual Customisation

Discussion in 'Eldar' started by MichaelChan, May 30, 2014.

  1. Zoatibix Zoatibix Preacher

    As opposed to the noticable difference in silhouette by virtue of carrying a heavy weapon and ammo pack or a Jump Pack you mean? :rolleyes:

    I'd also point out that in DoW 2 Aspect Warriors had the colour of their craftworld. I would not be surprised if EC followed that route, either.

    But, as I say, both are equally valid.
  2. Tarl68 TARL68 Arkhona Vanguard

    keep in mid that EC plans for assault marines to have an option to not use a jump-pack,

    but even then youve got 3 basic LSM/CSM silhouttes to cover 4 classes with a wider variety of weapon options within each class.... eldar have 7 classes with fewer weapon options for each class , but each would have a distinct colour palette if Aspect colours are the only option
  3. Idrial Idrial Menial

    Well I'd like to paint my own army (individual). Not be black and white. That's how games workshop did it, they didn't scream behind my back saying NO RED!!! And being restricted to a set of colors is basically just that. May as well just remove the palette colour system if that's how you want it to turn out. And just turn everything into skin packs.

    If you want to prevent 6 different colours from being picked then make it restricted to four. I doubt people are going to be running like my little pony if that's the excuse you make against having our own colours.:rolleyes:
  4. Auzor Auzor Menial

    I am sometimes wondering if you are posting sarcastic posts (golden Banshee) or serious, no offense.
    Yellow is an Iyanden color btw.
    (They picked the near-death lemon color craftworld over the one with the biggest titan legion, that actually has scouts "everywhere".. :confused: )

    Option Craftworld eldar color schemes:

    For Biel-tan, I 'd hope an option is to have a "dark-green veiny" color scheme. I would really dislike running around in white, with a green hat.
    Personally I am disappointed there is no Alaitoc.
    Because I wouldn't really like running around like a Lemon either..

    Let's go with "ideal but background respecting colors":

    For your armor, you can select colors per class, and a color template.
    Example:

    Biel-tan dire avenger:
    Dire Avenger Blue 1
    Dire Avenger Blue 2
    Dire avenger White 1
    Dire avenger Grey 1.

    Biel-tan Green 1
    Biel-tan green 2
    Biel-tan white 1
    Biel-tan grey 1.

    Select a "paint template" : legs and armor in same color, or not,.. biel-tan veiny camo pattern,..
    and assign a primary, secondary,.. color.

    Further customization: headcrests, helmet-insignia, runes, ..


    For customizing the howling banshee:
    you get the same biel-tan colors,
    and some howling banshee- bone colors to pick from.
    And uh.. some banshee "gore" colors? Or maybe a bright orange .. something else than "bone".

    Fire dragons: biel-tan colors,
    and red, orange, yellows.


    The above is quite a bit of work: complete color selection per class.
    Quick-and-dirty: 2 "craftworld" color schemes, 2 sets of aspect color schemes. Pick A, B, C or D: these are the color schemes used for all your classes.

    Another point if they go with the "ideal":
    Black goes with everything decently well. Ulthwe for the win!
    Also for nightfighting, black outfits tend to be a pretty good idea over say.. bright orange (hello mr sneaky firedragon!)

    HOWEVER:
    I don't think this type of customization should be the priority,
    and
    consider the other factions:
    do space wolves have companies in different colors? Imperial fists?
    I'm not sure any of this would be planned..
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  5. Idrial Idrial Menial

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    I was sincere --_--
    Yes, I did indeed take offense in that. You managed to insult every single post I have made up till now as being a joke and not worth any thoughtful discussions (devaluing my discussions), at the same time promoting your own. I get people have their own opinions, but what you just did was plain rude.

    I'v seen metallic/silver Banshees (ofc art work only) So I wanted a gold metallic with red. Not yellow. And you state Iyanden being exclusive to yellow. "btw" is that to suggest I have no clue what I'm saying? Well yellow is also a Alaitoc colour btw. :rolleyes:

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    Alaitoc:


    I struggled to read anything past that, without having a bias perspective. You basically won't allow for anything outside the Craftworld basic colour schemes? Yeah, I'm sincerely hoping for that to never happen.

    Yeah... I'd think Eldar colour their Aspect armour in bright colours to intimidate and make themselves seen by their foe. There not ninjas.

    Someone wrote about how Eldar are as a culture craft their Aspect armour in different ways. I'll try and find it.

    One: the team asked for what type of customization we want for Aspect Armour. So I assume it will be a priority at some point, if not now.

    Two: Eldar are different from Space Marines (people do however want their own space marine chapter colours). Pit falling them into that category doesn't make sense.
  6. Idrial Idrial Menial

    Edit: Someone wrote about how Eldar are as a culture craft their Aspect armour in different ways. I'll try and find it.

    Colour schemes are touchy subject. Some people want to shoe horn everyone into looking the same colour scheme wise. Others want a freedom in the few colours there are.

    Only time will tell.
  7. Auzor Auzor Menial

    Yeah well..
    *every single post you made* what the hell dude.
    I thought the stargate pick was funny sarcastically even, but the text not so much.
    For what it is worth: it wasn't intended as such

    I am really skeptical of golden eldar looking good in-game tbh. Metal reflecty-shiny surfaces tend to be difficult to put into games and stuff.
    And you want golden banshee for the Ulthwe craftworld.
    I said yellow was an Iyanden craftworld color, not that it was exclusive to Iyanden.
    Alaitoc tends to have yellow only as "accent" color mostly; for Iyanden the color scheme is sort-of the reverse, with yellow the "primary" color and blue helmets.



    Errrr.. wait wut?
    It was an example,
    where for example you pick Biel-Tan,
    and you can color per class
    according to Biel-tan colors, aspect colors, or a mix there-of.

    And a less ambitious where you'd still have the choice between craftworld and aspect colors.

    Consider the space marines and what we have seen so far.
    How do you know a space marine is an Ultramarine?
    Because he has smurf colours.

    I don't expect to see golden smurf astartes either.
    What about Orks? I'd expect most Orks to have some skin showing; can they decide they should be red or blue orks instead of green?

    I think you can see where this is going,
    I think it is very possible the dev's aren't working at all on color customization;
    "be an ultramarine= Ultramarine Blue"
    Maybe highlights, purity seals, markings etc will be customizeable, but I don't expect to see non-blue ultramarines.

    I'd like very much to not have to pick between
    Lemon eldar
    White eldar
    Red eldar
    Black eldar
    and Darker redder eldar,

    but do you have any indication at all that we would get color customizations like you'd want with your Golden Banshee?
    Then what would you consider to be the difference between the subfactions, and how would you let someone identify you as being from "Ulthwe"?
  8. Idrial Idrial Menial

    That isn't a singular.

    So yes you did state every single post is me being sarcastic. Don't insult my intelligence.

    I'm not a dude or a bro. Just going to throw that out right now. I prefer to be acknowledged by my given forum name at the very least. Teal'c is never sarcastic, he is usually very serious when making himself be made clear.

    Right now I'm not laughing either. I thought that much was obvious.

    Are you trying to derail this? In against different colour schemes? That's skin colour not armour. And I'd assume they would be different shades of green tones, if you are not being sarcastically rude towards my aesthetic differences.

    I refrain from discussing anything else on the matter with you. You seem to really hate the notion of me wearing any gold or silver aspect colours.

    I will say this though. 'Space Marines' did allow Ultra Marines in multiplayer to change their colour schemes. And in a way make your own chapter colours, just like in the tabletop. And if people want to know what Aspect Shrine and Craftworld I belong to, well there are my markings and symbols of Ulthwe carved and imprinted all over my body. It's kinda hard to miss.

    I'll be making my Golden Smurf Banshee out the game anyways :p
  9. Auzor Auzor Menial

    Idrial:
    Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
    I stated: "I am sometimes wondering if you are posting sarcastic posts (golden Banshee) or serious, no offense. "
    Okay, so you were serious about the golden Banshee.
    My trol-detecto-meters malfunctioned, and I should have worded it differently probably.
    But, "I am sometimes wondering if you are posting sarcastic posts (golden Banshee) or serious, no offense. " that does not equal every post of yours being sarcastic as an absolute fact.
    Likewise, you interpreted "Yellow is an Iyanden colour" to be "Yellow is an Iyanden-exclusive colour".

    So you're not completely without errors of interpretation either.


    Ork skin: shades of green, okay on that we agree. But why? Is it because in the background the color of Orks is green?
    Well in that case: is there background for Golden Banshees in the Ulthwe craftwolrd?
    The game Space Marine and different colors: I think in that game the entire "story" was about you being an Ultramarine, with no option to be a Blood Angel or Space Wolf.
    So, changing color= 'pretend you're a different chapter', but the game still goes the same.

    In Eternal Crusade, we're getting different subfactions, the chapters will be in-game at launch.
    So, do you hope that Space Marine players would then also have similar color customization? I.e. Golden Ultramarines?
    (Pink ultramarines, Pink eldar, Pink & Neon green Orks..)
    Here we have the problem: mr Ultramarine player A decides to go for Dark Angel green colour.
    mr Ulthwe eldar player decides to go for a Saim-Han red color for his dark reaper.
    It significantly (imo) undermines the visual aspect :)cool:) of belonging to a subfaction.
    Runes and insignia are difficult to see at a distance I expect.

    Do you know Planetside 2 by any chance?
    In PS2 it can be quite difficult IMO to tell the difference between ally and foe, at least at range and at night.
    Everyone can apply a camo (but they cost money) to their armor,
    but parts of the armor remain their faction color (Blue-Yellow, Grey-red, Purple-tealygreen).
    People can design camo's for the game (still cost cash), and some camo's now include pink with red hearts on them, ..

    Would you be willing to pay for such cosmetics? (I mean, on top of the game purchase price)
    Do you understand that if you get your Golden Banshee, right next to you could be a pink/purple/teal/.. Dire Avenger?

    A non-PS2 model:
    in Battlefield, in the game modes I know, players close enough to you have a blue or orange little icon over their head, identifying friend and foe.
    An Eternal Crusade equivalent:
    Green icon= waaagh da Orks, the icon is different per subfaction.
    (using green as an icon means we can't use red for chaos; green-red is the most common color blindness)
    If you have an "icon over player head" system, then camo etc doesn't matter anymore.




    I'll post a question in the founder-forum regarding the dev's intentions for customization, mkay?
    However, if enjoying the game for you requires a Golden Banshee, I think it is likely you will be disappointed.
  10. Auzor Auzor Menial

    Serious question, I *may* have had a brilliant idea, from a 'developer perspective' (which I'm not!).

    I think you're aware there exist MMO RPG's such as World of Warcraft etc?
    I don't know for WOW specifically at the moment,

    but in some games it is possible to change the visuals, on your computer.
    Say, you don't like horses, you download and install a mod that shows all horses as giant reptiles. Or just your own horse. This can go quite far with different visuals for attacks, spells,..
    However, another player looking at you would still see you riding a horse, not a reptile.


    Would you be content with a third-party mod, changing your displayed character on your screen only?
    For everyone else in game your colours would still be "Ulthwe Banshee", so they wouldn't see "ermagerd, scary Golden Banshee coming to scream at me".

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