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Ace Dakka - The Ork Autocannon

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ShadowMage, Apr 16, 2017.

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jbregg jbregg Dev QA
ShadowMage said: ↑

I've been working my way up through the supply drops for orks, and I recently bought a 12k box and got a unique Deff Gun called "Ace Dakka". I've been gaining a slow appreciation for the Deff Gun as it's a damn fine weapon when you don't have to move much (just like any Heavy Bolter-equivalent); since every unique I've tried has been pretty wild, I dropped queue to take a look at it and the description referred to it as an Autocannon.

I tried it out and... Honestly, I have no words for how disgusting it is. The damn thing is probably the most accurate weapon in the ork's arsenal, and given the low fire rate and high damage, it can effectively have no spread if you use it as a semi-auto rifle. My issue with this is that, once you're braced, you will effectively 3-or-4-shot anything that gets in your sights (and sometimes it's 1 or 2 if you get a headshot, and you WILL). The damn thing is arguably better than an autocannon as the thing suppresses, too! Just one round flying near any enemy will instantly suppress them, throwing their aim off so you cannot be effectively counter-sniped (at least without significant difficulty or help). Ever since I've gotten it, I've been running around only as a loota and my position on the scoreboard has skyrocketed. In most games, I'm placing in the top 3-4, and in a game or two, I've been the top scoring player.

With that damn gun, a good vantage point, and high ground, I can do the work of 3 or 4 other players combined. Now, I'm not writing this to brag or talk shit; rather the opposite. I feel that a significant part of my improved performance is strictly from the gun. The gun is absolutely disgusting in its effectiveness against infantry and I pretty much constantly feel like it's over powered.

It feels like it's the old "sniper" heavy bolters from around the time or release or so, and I know how nasty that was. While I certainly appreciate the orks having an auto cannon, it's just too good in virtually every way; I can pick off an enemy running from cover to cover before they really get the chance to react and my success rate at doing so it almost certainly in the 90% range simply because I need to only hit 3-ish shots and the gun's so accurate.
I don't like things being nerfed, but this is one of the instances where I think a gun should be nerfed, quite dramatically. Edit: I'm now thinking if the accuracy decrease/spread increase per shot was increased, the gun would be fine.

What have you folks experienced with the Ace Dakka? Is it as infuriating as I think it is?
Also, below are the stats. I'd include auto-cannon stats, but I don't have one to pull the numbers from.

Stats:

Damage: 124/12m / 91/100m

Penetration: 115

RPM: 171

Spread (ADS/HIP/SIPS): 0.3° / 3° / 0.04°

Recoil: 0.62° / 1.69°

Ammunition: 150

Heat per Shot: 5.8%

Edit: I've started recording the results of running the Ace Dakka. So far the results have been pretty impressive. More details on this post.
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Just tested it out... Went 20-1 with a Vet..

Passed this on to design ;D.
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jbregg, Apr 19, 2017

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Lootmasta Kaptin_Pokkets Arkhona Vanguard

Deathwish said: ↑

Good to see you finally coming around. Suddenly I don't sound so psychotic.
"You either die as a White Knight, or you live long enough to turn into a cynical asshole"
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Yeah but unlike you @Deathwish I don't sound like I'm about to immolate my computer in fathomless rage. Give it time though, I'm sure I'll get there soon at this rate lol

Kaptin_Pokkets, Apr 19, 2017

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Lootmasta Kaptin_Pokkets Arkhona Vanguard

Deathwish said: ↑

Are you suggesting that I'm hostile?

....Maybe 50% of the time I am....
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Add another 30% and you'll start being in the ballpark lol.

Kaptin_Pokkets, Apr 19, 2017

#103
Remo RemoSupremo Confessor

RuntKikka said: ↑

Ace Dakka is a great weapon and might be a little too strong.
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Understatement of 2017.

Ace Dakka is easily the most overpowered weapon in the game currently. I love the thing, I kick out 50+ kill games with it as an average. Or did until I rerolled my Ork.

Goodnight sweet prince Remgor Zodsnik, make room for Remgor Da Raida!

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RemoSupremo, Apr 19, 2017

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DongSlayer DongSlayer Steam Early Access

Any weapon is OP in the right hands !!!
Question is... how Op of a weapon do you need to wield to be good !~

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DongSlayer, Apr 19, 2017

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Avlaen Avlaen Arkhona Vanguard

ShadowMage said: ↑

Then what would be the point of the 100 point additional cost?
Also, what would the point of it being a unique be?
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Give it the same stats as the MC auto cannon.

And the point of it being unique is the fact that ORKS DONT HAVE NORMAL AUTOCANNONS

Thus its unique because its a unique weapon for the orks.

Avlaen, Apr 19, 2017

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Morguemeat Morguemeat Active Member

Goodbye asymmetry. You're not wanted here it seems.

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Morguemeat, Apr 20, 2017

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Brother Shrimp BrotherShrimp Preacher

jbregg said: ↑

Just tested it out... Went 20-1 with a Vet..

Passed this on to design ;D.
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*facepalm*
These stats mean nothing. Take a look at any streamer, I've seen Penguin go 35/0 on a veteran Avenger just yesterday, I think you should nerf Avengers!

For the record, I do thing the ACE dakka is too strong (although it also costs, what, twice as much as the CSM autocannon?) but using this kind of anecdotal "evidence" as basis for any balance change isn't good.

BrotherShrimp, Apr 20, 2017

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ShadowMage ShadowMage Active Member

BrotherShrimp said: ↑

For the record, I do thing the ACE dakka is too strong (although it also costs, what, twice as much as the CSM autocannon?) but using this kind of anecdotal "evidence" as basis for any balance change isn't good.
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From what I understand it only costs 100 points more, or the same as the Master Crafted.

ShadowMage, Apr 20, 2017

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Avlaen Avlaen Arkhona Vanguard

ShadowMage said: ↑

From what I understand it only costs 100 points more, or the same as the Master Crafted.
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while having alot bett accuracy and suppresion than the MC auto cannon.

Avlaen, Apr 20, 2017

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