All of them are then. Not one conforms to the lp limits of the veterans with the ork kommando coming the absolute closest. I believe I calculated the possessed marine to be clocking in somewhere around 2000 lp. You can't say one of them is stronger than the veterans or that one can't be recreated as they all are.

I'll make no secret in wanting them to be buffed further actually. These heroes should be mighty, and a dilligent player can always get the rtc through campaigns. The only difference there is that progress towards it is earned, not bought.

Buffed ? all of them besides lodd ok but not him , he is not already there and we all know that he is already stupidly broken !

Hes op but not that broken , if the fire stacked then it would count as stupidest broken. But ya lod needs no buff but the others do

Yes buffed. Some more than others. I'm not saying survive a kannon shot, but even the autocannon or the plasma cannon should have a hard time putting them down. hell, I firmly believe the only good answer to stopping a raging possessed should be to pin him down with a grav cannon and unload heavy bolters.

maybe multimeltas.

HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE KOMMANDO? AS A SLUGGA NOB IS EASILLY MORE SURVIVABLE THEN THE RTC KOMMANDO.

Yea right so when you get a guild stack running with a full bunch of possessed, well rip.
Don't start to the put EC in the same bag as Skyforge(where wallet only count).

So far only the Kommando can be fully useful, cloak, melee. A more greenish scorpion.
I strongly believe that Possessed should get a melee arsenal and not only PF. It's not Possessed enough because he should have only PF? I dunno, give him a sword with a glove skin like in the artwork.

This kind of Elite should be a rank 6 and 300/400 point unlock. I feel bad for Chaos main, playing a lot, but having to wait campaign to get their Elite with free RTC.

Building the slugga nob into a copy of the kommando puts him over the lp cap. thats accounting for duraility it cannot take because of the sneaking skills wargear.

If guilds stack the elite thats the guild's fault. If it's really such an issue then imit the amount of heroes that can be deployed at once. They aren't very heroic if they die to four autocannon or stalker bolter rounds. They should be a real threat.

It's not something about being heroic but more powerful and balanced, we don't want some Ultra Calgar clone squad, fistin" everyone around without compromise.

BUT I agree that the possessed is wrongly build in general and the actual meta is not helping BUT it even if it was well built, it shouldn't, at any moment, mean that he can run 100 meters in a clear field, taking fire from heavy, surviving and killing those heavy. They must be a real threat in their domain.

Else you would see whole stack of this thing, playing protect the VIP (the VIP being the traitor needed to capture) and crushing everything around.

A Elite Sniper for example is a threat at range. Go get him in close fight and get rid of him. Like you can pin down a Possessed at range with a Heavy or Tact and get pin down in melee against it, thought the latter is not working well due to multiple influences (PF outta RPS system, etc etc).
Range will always have an advantage against melee since they can start to deal damages before the melee fight or make it never happen. (that's kinda why there are a lot of lulz since the release on UAT of the Damned legionnaire.)

What is happening inside the melee fight is about melee balance, which is actually a serious problem.

Edit: AND I STRONGLY BELIEVE, that CSM need a free unlock for the possessed. Need an idea? A possessed PF unlock on the tree. Equip it and you lose access to secondary but get all the buff to be a possessed. Or if you want to let possessed chose their melee weapon, a possessed mark, leaving the main weapon free to be chosen.

I'm sorry, but I still believe they should be a very dangerous thing if not focused down. The damned and the possessed should be front line fighters, the possessed being a lot tougher than the damned but both requiring focus to take down. The kommando and the ranger would be less direct, more limited in a direct fight with the kommando being best in an ambush then able to take on 1-2 more in a straight fight and the ranger being specialised in long range maybe able to take 1 opponent straight up. i think they shot themselves in the foot worrying so much about pay to win that they gimped something that was supposed to be an actual problem on the field of battle.

Never said the contrary, but since there is not limit about the number of them in match in the same time, if they do a mistake and walk into a clear field, well it's normal for them to be taken down.
So the need of multiple class, interacting with each other. A heavy suppressing the opponent, giving to the possessed the capacity to run into melee range.

The possessed is powerful melee fighter but Elite does not mean that he can shower with opponent's bullets. You are more tanky but you have to be careful nonetheless.