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8th retrofit rebalance

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Iratus, Aug 27, 2017.

  1. Krayt Krayt Preacher

    You need to dump quite the whole mag xD
    Eldar without headshoot is a dead eldar
  2. Krayt Krayt Preacher

    Pff just leeroy playing nothing that we are not used to :p
  3. Demetri Dominov Demetri_Dominov Arkhona Vanguard

    Right. See now you're getting it. I wasn't going to go here before but stay with me, one interesting suggestion I'm passing on is that if everyone else doesn't get Headshot damage, then the ASC and TLSC can ONLY deal Headshot damage. As in, the only way for these weapons to deal damage is through headshots. Now obviously this brings out the whole thing about skillfloor and a bland shooter ect, but again, this is just easiest way to explain a complex balancing system alonh with issues revolving ADAD which is how people effectively are currently mitigating Headshot damage right now, while trying to respect faction archetypes, in my case that allows Bladestorm (an important function of the Eldar) to be represented. The question is how to do it fairly and what the other races get as well.

    Would be an interesting concept at the very least. Glad you stuck it out with me, ty. Going to bed now.
  4. Krayt Krayt Preacher

    XDD good night then
    But i m still not ok to turn that game into a stupid call of duty shooter were you are not rewarded for skill
  5. Demetri Dominov Demetri_Dominov Arkhona Vanguard

    You should really go watch the ADAD spam.in CoD, it's unreal.
  6. LucianNostra Well-Known Member

    These are all really good ideas, LSM get a massive boost as well as CSM (already the best faction in the game) while Eldar and Orks eat pretty big to massive nerfs

    So I assume this is also coming with a point cost addon? Like how Marines cost the most so any match won't load unless they are outnumbered by the appropriate amount of players? Also lets not for get theres what? 1000 marines in each chapter soo... your sub factions get 1000 lives than are removed from the campaign.

    Sounds good to me.
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  7. Razmirth Sneaky-krumpin Subordinate

    I love how very thread ends up becoming and eldar mains vs space marine mains, with CSM and orks just sitting back watching the shit hit the fan.

    Personally? I think it's fine as it is. My concern with limiting headshots to scoped/eldar weapons in general is that again, eldar need to preform almost flawlessly to get kills/wins, and not all of us are headshot masters. Naturally they would have to nerf the damage of the TLASC or ASC if they had headshot bonus, as normal body shots Would be nerfed In order to compensate this.

    Then, there would be cries of eldar OP cause no one can reliably headshot them unless they all have scoped bolters, so that would necessitate a damage buff vs eldar body shots. As it is, experience players can drop eldar in 4 headshots, with inexperienced players downing us in 8 or so body shots. If we changed this, that means even inexperienced/bad aim players can kill us in 4 shots regardless. So this lowers our TTK even more. Or in other words, were literally right back to square one.

    I saw the huge wall of text between everyone and i don't have time to read it all. Maybe you've all explained my point of veiw several times over, or have a solution to it.

    But if we start making changes, major ones in this case, this leads to more major changes across all factions, screwing things up in massive proportions, and making it a mess for devs and community.

    And I don't know if anyone has mentioned eldar OP yet, but I'm assuming it's been thrown out there by now, insinuated or will be put out there. Honestly, bring your storm Bolter and rodeo shoota and laugh as eldar melt in front of you. For all you LSM players bring a servo skull and storm Bolter, and thank me later. If you can't get 25+ kills in a standard match (15 minutes or so) then you're beyond hope.

    The only thing that make a eldar OP is fire dragon melts bomb bundle. It think it's fine as is, but there's something wrong when a fire dragon can still accurately place explosives while being shot to pieces by a Bolter. I think they should include a rule that if a fire dragon sustains health damage, they cannot place bombs until their armour recharges. Honestly, if I was being shot, I don't think I'd have the focus or ability to set some timers/rig explosives onto a tank.
  8. Durash Durash Arkhona Vanguard

    I must admit, your ability to swap factions and drive transports out of bounds is top tier.
  9. Mainfold Mainfold Preacher

    I want 8th edition plasma-balancing. Rapid-fire (tap-fire or full auto) = safe and reliable, doesn't overheat when doing it (allowing for sustained fire with plasma). Charged shots = chancing blowing up your own gun. Firing when overheating = suicide
  10. MacBeth MacBeth Well-Known Member

    As nice as that'd be, I think it'd be more fair to trade the cooling mechanic in favor of taking small amounts of self damage while the Plasma is overheating, this way it can keep up with the Bolter, but you wont have the sustainability.

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