Fail of an argument on multiple levels If you're talking about player investment, it's straight-up fallacious. The HB isn't some mid-game super expensive unlock like the fist, it's the default heavy weapon If you're talking about player skill, I disagree with you but less vehemently. Three or four pistol headshots can down the heavy bolter no problem. It's about who gets the jump on who in what kind of battlefield. HB wins in MOST situation, not all If you're talking about lore logic, it's not like you're trying to bludgeon the Havoc to death with your pistol, it's a FUCKING GUN Back to the Fist, we agree on Fist should never be broken by Heavy, but I stand firm that Fist can be broken by Knife. The ONLY thing I can even BEGIN to see your point on is the "investment" part, and even then it's a stretch. The guy in the vid lost five consecutive RPS bouts, and seven bouts in total. If you fail THAT badly against someone you are the hard counter to, you DESERVE to get your Fist broken. It's like if I bought a hypothetical Master Crafted Stalker Bolter, then missed all ten shots; I would DESERVE to lose a life Spending loadout points is not a ticket to an "I win" button, it is simply an advantage. Advantages can be wasted. Heavies have no melee weapon, they have literally given up the ability to compete versus fist in exchange for firepower. But Knife is a weapon. Knife is a competitor. Knife can break Fist if Fist wastes its massive advantage
The bolt pistol can win against a heavy bolter like the knife can win against a powerfist , powerfist is an AV weapon before anything else "Or are you suggesting we should buff LASCANON to be able to compete vs heavy weapons like the knife can compete with the AV melee weapon in game ?" Ikown that a heavy should never win against a melee character like a melee character should never reach a heavy but stop wanting to nerf fucking knifes , you can kill a powerfist wielder with a knife , just dodge and cut the energetic cables and poof he looks stupid with his non energetic fist. Already happened in books so sorry but wrong argument. So you want fist , an AV weapon to ALWAYS WIN against ranged character by ANY CIRCUMSTANCES .... where is the skill involved please ?
I wouldn't say that PF should auto win vs a Dev, but to have the weapon break at all feels bad. The Dev delaying that long is about as much of a "win" as I would think they'd be allowed. He stalled for a good 5-6 seconds, that's plenty of time for allies to come help with bolters/swords to the attackers ass. Heavies ARE supposed to be directly hard countered by melee. Defending for 2-3 clangs should be about all they can hope to get honestly.
Except for the fact that AI weapons will beat Meltas in a 1v1, not to mention the limited range. Powerfists on the other hand win clangs against every other melee weapon and deal the most damage per swing. It's slowness is the cost of its AV. If you want better AI than remove the wind up timer on Meltas, see how that goes.
Unless I can catch a player reloading, not looking or possibly Ray Charles playing some EC I lose Melta weapon vs rifle fights. Hell even meltaing a shield bro is risky because melta range is the same as let me spam fast attacks at you range. The Lascannon costs 500 LP. The Bolter (and equilvants) cost 200, by your logic the Las Cannon should win every time too.
In the hands of a god, a lascannon could win in many situations. In mortal hands, anything closer than a mile away has a huge advantage.
That duel was special, statistically, by how infrequently it occurs. Pretending it's not, is a pathetic way to try to push your agenda (i.e. your opinion on how you think they game should work). I happen to think the opposite. Try holding your breath.
You could heavy attack. Yes it would work. Yes if you timed it right it WILL connect even if he dbashes. Go get more practice.
